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Well I still see no reason to keep these pages. There's a pretty extensive surplus of moves like this with almost nothing to go off of but a picture (or even just a sprite) and a very brief description, and beyond that I feel like the fact they were never even programmed devalues them too much. I don't see how they're worth more than just "This character's special move was supposed to be this and it did this". There's something like that for pretty much every character in the game and I don't see us covering every single one of them with a page.
For that reason, I do think it'd make the most sense to fit them into the trivia, like we did with Ōdama Rasengan on the Rasengan page, and we do something similar with every removed move's page as well.
The origin shouldn't have to be the biggest source of info on the page, and expanding it would only exemplify how little there is to actually say about the move, not to mention the fact that there's often barely a move to connect it to. And even if we could pry info from devs, more detail doesn't change that we'd be making pages based on unrealized ideas for what's admittedly insignificant content.
If anything that sounds even more unnecessary, especially with characters like Jigglypuff or Sonic where the only thing worth noting is a single special move or Final Smash.
Pretty sure there's already a page for that. Not everything on the list needs to link to something, anyways.
You’re right, it’s not “removed content”. It is, however, “unused content”, which the page also covers. On that front, “planned content” could very easily be mistaken for “confirmed content”, so I think calling it unused would make more sense.
I wasn’t the one who decided it was too big of a page so I’m not really sure what to say about that.
Well I do agree with you that the name of the game does greatly extend the names of these pages. That said, I have to admit that I really don't see why the long names matter or why we should care about changing them, especially since, like you said, we've already invented templates to write them with anyways. Not that it isn't a change worth considering, but at least right now, I'm just not on board with it.
I noticed on your recent edit summary you claimed Waluigi might not be ready for 1.2 release. The page itself doesn't show who made that affirmation, though. There's nothing on the Forums or on MG's social networks, was it confirmed on Discord? I'm aware devs like TSON love to tease some important info on MG's Discord regarding the game's progress (as if they don't have a place to do it more formally) and you're a member there, which makes me wonder if we may need a page for Discord to cover such minimal yet important announcements that aren't share on the habitual sites. Whatcha say?
I was actually thinking something similar, The McLeodGaming Discord has grown quite a bit and is much closer to the Forums than the social networks so I'm all for having a page for it, I'm just not quite sure how to structure it.
But yeah, to answer your question, it's actually something Refurin has confirmed multiple times on Waluigi's Discord channel. To directly quote one of these times, "If Waluigi is close enough to complete by the time the rest of the update is, we might as well just wait and finish them first. Otherwise it might make more sense to release them later." Someone on the Discord mentioned being told otherwise on the wiki so I figured to change that.
Thought about it for a while, and I'm still not exactly sure how I'd make the page for the Discord. Mainly since the only similar page we have is for the Forums and it's not exactly a good base to copy from. Like, would a page on the server explain all the channels? What about the server's history, or the people running it? And what about other unofficial SSF2 servers, since the official one actually merged with one before?
Also, what would we even call it? The server is just called McLeodGaming, so I wouldn't know whether to do "McLeodGaming (Discord)" or something like "McLeodGaming Discord server".
You know, I thought that as a member of Discord you'd had the answer (that was the point of contacting you in the first). I simply don't know what we have to do now. I was thinking just the "official" server got to be the major point for a page, nothing else.
Alright, well I guess I'll just see what I can do then. I had ideas for what to do for a page but I guess I was just never good at inventing new formats, so there's a lot I need to figure out about it.
I'll probably have a section describing the channels, since they're basically the Discord equivalent of sub-forums (minus the smaller forums inside). I guess it's also important to note that Cleod, tson, Refurin, ZI, and Sir are the five administrators of it all, though I'm not sure if the other roles (moderators, bug hunters) are important as well. As for the name I guess I'm leaning towards "McLeodGaming Discord server" since that and just "McLeodGaming Discord" are often used to refer to it.
Also, what do you think about listing the custom emoji? I know we don't have the equivalent section for the Forums' emoticons (at least right now), and they mostly function the same, but they do get used really frequently and can be used as post reactions. Also, Discord Nitro users can then use the custom emojis outside of the server.
I'm actually not sure myself... if it was confirmed then I wasn't there when it happened. It looks like Gregory Naruto was the first person to note there was a new sprite for it in June 2015, and he uploaded the new sprite in June 2017, so I'd ask him if he remembers where he got that information.
So, long story short, I was trying to edit the descriptions of Samus' page, updating the damage values and providing better descriptions, but somehow, when I published my changes, the entire table just...sort of broke. I fixes it already, but there are several rows in the moveset table where there are supposed to be mutiple rows in one cell, but I can't seem to figure how to separate them. I know this was probably a really shoddy explanation, but long story short, I just don't know how to fix something after I broke it.
It's fine, I fixed it up. For moves where multiple rows are used, each individual column has formatting (called rowspan) for how many rows they will take over. If one has a formatting of rowspan="2", for instance, the column will take up two rows. What you did was remove two rows without adjusting the rowspan, and that's when everything went downhill.
As for the descriptions though, they aren't really meant to be super long. The extra detail is appreciated, I just think you went a little bit too far with it.
I just wanted to be a bit more descriptive with the attack descriptions, since I figured one of the main reason why people read through the moveset was for more information on them like kill percentages, uses, and versatility
"We don't keep around pages for removed background characters."
And why not? Why possibly not?
Assist Trophies, stages, special moves, items and Poké Ball Pokémon all keep their pages if they're removed, so why not background characters too?
Well I didn't come up with the rule, so I can't completely say for sure and you'll have to wait for Byll to respond... but if I had to say, it's that background characters don't carry nearly the same weight as other elements that get removed. They're essentially stage-intrinsic elements that can't be interacted with and can't be described with more than a paragraph already, so the full extent of any removed background character's function can just be described in the trivia section of their respective stage page.
I have been playing this game for a long time since 2018, the game is an amazingly made and I shared the amazing experience to other people in my school. So when it comes to competitive mode, I do what all SSB newbies do: look at the tier list. Then I see some characters placed too high and some characters placed too low, which when other new players join will have a false view of the character's power in the game.
I honestly wish people could join together and make a new tier list since the tier list is nearly 2 years old
Well, I too agree that the tier list is severely outdated. However, the only official authorities to trust with these lists is the Smash Flash Back Room, and it’s up to them to eventually come up with a new one. But since competitive play has dampened recently, and with four new characters on the way soon, I can only assume they’d rather wait things out a bit more.