Super Smash Flash 2

Super Smash Flash 2, commonly abbreviated SSF2, is an upcoming unofficial Macromedia Flash Player 8 game, developed by McLeodGaming and produced by Cleod9 Productions, the game is based on and features many characters from the Super Smash Bros. series, as well as third party characters. This game it's the direct and official sequel of the game Super Smash Flash.

NOTE: Since this game is still under development, nothing is 100% confirmed.

Characters
The Characters are the fighters that "brawl" of Super Smash Flash 2, representing the universe they belong. Each character has a number of Special Attacks, Normal Attacks (or Combo Attacks) and an unique special move called Final Smash.

There are 2 types of them: the Starter characters, who are accessible in the beginning, and the Unlockable characters, who can be accessible only if they are unlock by completing some tasks.

The total of characters is 45, below is the complete list:

(T): Transformation Final Smash (A): Attack Final Smash * : Most likely unlockable

Note: Zelda and Riku have the ability to transform by using their down special.

Expansion Characters
In Super Smash Flash 2, you may create your own character and play as it. There are many others besides these ones. Most of these characters have been planned or are completed, however none are officially confirmed

* : Featured on Dojo


 * NES Mario* - Mario
 * Amy Rose - Sonic
 * Axel - Kingdom Hearts
 * Blaze - Sonic
 * Bowser Jr. - Mario
 * Chef Kawasaki - Kirby
 * Colette Brunel - Tales of Symphonia
 * Daichi
 * Dr. Mario - Mario
 * Ganondorf - The Legend of Zelda
 * Genis - Tales of Symphonia
 * Geno - Mario
 * Guilmon - Digimon
 * Ike* - Fire Emblem
 * Inuyasha - Inuyasha (anime)
 * King Dedede - Kirby
 * Lucario - Pokémon
 * Lucas - Earthbound/Mother
 * Mallow - Mario
 * Marth - Fire Emblem
 * Mr. Bright & Shine - Kirby
 * Paper Mario - Mario
 * Pichu Bros. - Pokémon
 * Pikmin & Olimar - Pikmin
 * Pokemon Trainer - Pokémon
 * Pokemon Trainer 2 - Pokémon
 * Pokemon Trainer 3 - Pokémon
 * Pokemon Trainer 4 - Pokémon
 * Rayman - Rayman
 * Sakura - Naruto (anime)
 * Kakashi - Naruto (anime)
 * Rock Lee - Naruto (anime)
 * Shikamaru - Naruto (anime)
 * Gaara -Naruto (anime)
 * Roy* - Fire Emblem
 * Sephiroth* - Final Fantasy
 * SpongeBob - SpongeBob SquarePants
 * Patrick - SpongeBob SquarePants
 * Silver - Sonic
 * Stitch - Disney
 * The Internet - Custom Character
 * Toon Link - The Legend of Zelda
 * Waluigi - Mario
 * Young Link - The Legend of Zelda
 * Frank Boehm - Code: Lyoko
 * Piccolo - Dragon Ball (anime)
 * Homer Simpson - The Simpsons
 * Mr. Hackensaw - Custom Character
 * DJ(TDI) - Total Drama Island
 * Cait Sith - Final Fantasy
 * Vincent Valentine - Final Fantasy
 * Mummymon - Digimon
 * Reno - Final Fantasy
 * Gwen(TDI) - Total Drama Island
 * Jen Masterson - 6Teen
 * Anthony Grieco - Code: Lyoko
 * Thomas Laveadas - Ratchet And Clank Future
 * Nick Boehm - Code: Lyoko
 * Duncan {TDI} - Total Drama Island
 * Crash - Crash Bandicoot
 * Sub Zero - Mortal Kombat
 * Jonesy Garcia - 6Teen
 * Chuckie Chan - Chop Socky Chooks
 * Buster Bunny - Tiny Toons Adventures
 * Baby Heather(TDI) - Total Drama Island
 * Heather(TDI) - Total Drama Island
 * Tyler Davis - New York
 * Jacob Davis - New York
 * Zachary Davis - New York
 * Baby Beth(TDI) - Total Drama Island
 * Courtney(TDI) - Total Drama Island
 * Darth - 6Teen
 * Wakka - Final Fantasy
 * Spyro the Dragon - The Legend Of Spyro
 * Laura Chapman - Code: Lyoko
 * Caitlin Cooke - 6Teen
 * Angry Video Game Nerd - Screwattack
 * Darkahn - Mortal Kombat Vs. DC Universe
 * Freon - Bloodstorm
 * Kratos{GOW} - God Of War
 * Kain - Legacy Of Kain
 * Porky Pig - Looney Tunes
 * Spawn - Spawn
 * Master Chief - Halo
 * Dante - Devil May Cry
 * Jaden Yugi - Yu-Gi-Oh
 * Egghead - Looney Tunes
 * Elmer Fudd - Looney Tunes
 * Tourettes Guy - Youtube
 * Raziel - Legacy Of Kain
 * Duke Nukem - Duke Nukem

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Adventure Mode: The Flash of Shadows
The story mode for SSF2 is entitled Flash Of Shadows. It was created by thedobaga, TheSilenceOfNoOne ([TSON]), Ziku, TerminX, and Roymaster4. It is about the group of heroes' struggle to defeat a Shadowy Man named Umbra along with his minions known as the "Cubots". Like Brawl you’ll unlock secret characters by having them join your party.

Part One
Part one of the story begins in a space station, inhabited by Snake, Falco, Zero, and Meta Knight. The space station is apparently used to watch over the different worlds and protect them from threats, most likely asteroids or aerial attacks. The space station is eventually attacked by a trio of villains made up of Wario, Mewtwo, and Bowser. How they got together or why they attacked the station is currently unknown. After a battle, Zero and Snake head for the escape pods. Mewtwo stops them when they get there, and a battle ensues, ending with only Zero escaping.

Zero lands in Kanto, near Victory Road, where he enters the cave and makes his way to a stadium. Inside the stadium, Pikachu and Jigglypuff are battling. After the battle, Team Galactic's leader, Cyrus, bursts into the fight and releases Rayquaza. How Cyrus captured Rayquaza is currently unknown. Zero helps Pikachu and Jigglypuff fight off Rayquaza, and the two decide to work together to get Zero home.

Meanwhile, back on the Station, Snake and Falco escape, and meet up with Wario and Bowser. Before they can fight, a group of Cubots burst into the room. The four decide to work together and fight through the Cubots, eventually reaching Cubot Alpha in his Weak Phase. How Cubot Alpha will look in this or any phase is currently unknown. Wario and Snake are forced out, and only Bowser and Falco remain to fight Cubot Alpha. They fail and everyone is forced off of the station.

Still on the station, Meta Knight wakes up and escapes from his cell, heading straight for the hangar, being attacked by Cubots on the way. Once there, he is attacked by Cubot Alpha. After failing to defeat him, Meta Knight rushes for the Halberd and leaves the station. He uses homing devices to track down his three comrades. He heads for Kanto first.

The Halberd lands in front of the trio (Jigglypuff, Zero and Pikachu) and Meta Knight immediately attacks the two Pokemon. After the fight Zero explains the situation. They all agree to work together and board the Halberd, making it sort of a hub for the characters. Meanwhile, in a castle, Wario and Snake are both unconscious. Wario wakes up first, and prepares to finish Snake, before being knocked over by a group of Cubots carrying Zelda. Snake wakes up in time to see Link run by after the Cubots. Wario and Snake go after Link. After catching up with him, Link explains his situation, and Wario and Snake decide to help him. Once they reach the end of the hall, they find the destroyed remains of the Cubots, with Zelda gone. They quickly enter the throne room, and see a shadow engulf Zelda and disappear. Ganondorf appears from behind the shadow, and attacks them. After he is defeated, he disappears, taking Wario with him. The group is attacked by an army of ReDead, but Zero and Pikachu appear and help fend off the group. They begin moving up the steps to the highest tower of the castle, eventually reaching and boarding the Halberd.

Falco wakes up in New Pork City, and heads for Porky Tower, eventually reaching Ness. How Ness is in New Pork City is currently unknown. The duo climbs the tower using the spikes on the side and reaches the top, where they fight Porky. Porky disappears after he's defeated, and the Halberd appears to pick up Falco and Ness.

Part Two
For reasons unknown so far, the Halberd lands on Norfair. Snake and Jigglypuff get out exploring the planet, ending in Jigglypuff being kidnapped by Ridley. Samus appears to help Snake fight off a group of Cubots, and the two decide to work together. Upon reaching Ridley, Kraid appears behind them, and begins to fight Ridley for reasons currently unknown. Eventually, a Shadowy Man appears and defeats Ridley, and the trio is forced into a fight with Kraid. After defeating him, they quickly move through an erupting Norfair back to the Halberd. Upon arriving at the Halberd, they're intercepted by Meta Ridley. How he became Meta Ridley so fast is currently unknown, but it is thought to have something to do with the Cubots. They defeat him, and he flies off. They board the Halberd and leave. There is then a discussion between Shadow and the Shadowy Man. They talk about Mario, and Shadow is then sent to Dream Land.

Mario wakes up in Dream Land and traverses a field to Dedede's castle, where he meets Kirby and they decide to work together. Once inside, they encounter Shadow, Dark Matter, and King Dedede. Dark Matter possesses Dedede, turning him into Dark Dedede. He then attacks Mario and Kirby. After they're defeated, Shadow makes them disappear and prepares to attack the heroes himself. Meta Knight jumps down from the Halberd and stops him. Shadow, in panic, launches Mario to another world. Meta Knight and Kirby then attack Shadow. After he's defeated, Shadow disappears before Meta Knight can strike the finishing blow. Meta Knight then convinces Kirby to join the group, and they both board the Halberd.

The Halberd then flies into the atmosphere of Corneria, most likely on Falco's request. They end up flying straight into a battle. Cubot Ships are swarming the Great Fox, so Snake, Pikachu, and Falco decide to get out and help the crew. On board the Great Fox, Fox is fighting through a group of Cubots. He eventually reaches Wolf, and they fight. Fox beat Wolf, and quickly goes out of a hatch to the outside of the ship. The trio from the Halberd is running along rooftops to get to the Great Fox. They eventually make it to the top, but are hit by a Smart Bomb, separating Pikachu from the others. Fox and Falco land on the surface of the planet, while Pikachu remains on the ship. Snake and Falco spot Shadow and stalk him through the alleys, while Fox meets up with Pikachu and they team up to fight a Cubot Warship. After beating the warship, Pikachu and Fox go to board the Halberd. While on the ground, Snake and Falco attack Shadow, who creates a doppelganger of himself. Both turn into Hyper Shadow and attack the pair. Mario ends up jumping out of an alley and finishing Shadow. Afterwards, they all board the Halberd, with Shadow as their captive. Mario then tells the group how the Mushroom Kingdom was attacked by Bowser, Wario, Shadow, Bowser Jr., and a Shadowy Man. The group agrees to head for the Mushroom Kingdom and help the inhabitants.

The Halberd arrives at the Mushroom Kingdom near Peach's Castle to find it in ruins. Mario and Link get out of the Halberd to explore the ruins. They arrive at Bowser's Castle, where they fight two Hammer Bros. guarding the doors. They traverse through the castle, where they find Sephiroth, Bowser, and the Shadowy Man holding Peach captive. The Shadowy Man disappears, taking Peach with him, then Sephiroth and Bowser prepare to attack until Cloud and Luigi burst in, sending the villains flying opposite ways. Bowser quickly makes Cloud and Link fly out of the room, towards Sephiroth, and attacks the Mario Bros. After they defeat Bowser, Mario and Luigi have a brotherly reunion. Link wakes up to see Cloud and Sephiroth fighting. Sephiroth strikes Cloud down, and prepares to kill him, before Link blocks the slash. Sephiroth then attacks both of them, and is defeated. Once the four meet back up, Luigi explains how he and Cloud met up, though the details are currently unknown. The group then returns to the Halberd and leaves the Mushroom Kingdom.

The Shadowy Man, and Sephiroth are in a forest talking to Sasuke. Sasuke refuses to join them, and ends up being possessed by Dark Matter. Dark Matter forces Sasuke into CS2 form, and the Shadowy Man leaves.

The Halberd lands in the forest. Samus and Ness get out exploring the world, and eventually meeting up with Sakura, Naruto, and Kakashi. Ness and Samus join the group, and Kakashi pairs them up with Naruto. Kakashi and Sakura go the opposite way, leaving Naruto. Ness, and Samus alone. Naruto explains that they're searching for Sasuke and a man with long, silvery hair (Most likely Sephiroth). The group is suddenly attacked by Sasori and Deidara. After defeating the two, Sasuke appears, quickly defeating Deidara. After the group defeats Sasuke, and Dark Matter is forced out of his body, Dark Matter then possesses Sasori and goes into his true form. He then poisons the group, giving them two minutes to defeat him. After he's defeated, Dark Matter leaves his body and blasts him away. He's about to do the same to Sasuke, but Orochimaru stops him and orders him to the village. After they leave, Sasuke wakes up, and remembers that he was possessed. He claims vengeance on Dark Matter and they all begin to head to the villiage, encountering Cubots on the way. Once at the village, they encounter Sephiroth, Orochimaru, and Dark Matter battling Cubots. Mewtwo is seen leading the Cubots. Eventually, the fight turns into a three way fight between the heroes, Mewtwo, and Orochimaru. After the fight, both sides flee, and the heroes head back to the Halberd.

While in space, a blast rocks the Halberd, and Snake, Zero, and Meta Knight discover that the ship is being attacked by Cubots. Once they arrive at the breach where the Cubots are getting in, they find Mewtwo and Cubot Alpha, this time in his Strong Phase. They defeat Cubot Alpha, and Mewtwo snaps out of a sort of trance and goes unconscious. The group grabs him and prepares to flee the ship. Meta Knight turns back and fights one hundred Cubots in a blind rage, before finally abandoning the ship. Meta Knight swears he will have revenge on the Cubots for destroying his ship, and they leave in the escape pods...

Part Four
The heroes finally fought the Shadowy Man.

Classic Mode
The Classic Mode returns this time with more stages and new bonuses. You fight the characters in the progress of this mode and you fight at the end the boss Master Hand and in hard stages you fight the Crazy Hand too. No stages have been confirmed yet, but it will have more things.

All-Star Mode
The All-Star Mode is an unlockable game mode obtained when all the secret characters are unlocked. You fight all 45 characters in series, it's unknown if it will be like Brawl's All-Star, where the player fights the characters in a chronological order.

Multi-Man Brawl
Multi-Man Brawl is single-player mode which appear in Super Smash Flash 2. They challenge the player to defeat as many opponents as possible, under various pretenses, before falling from the stage or self-destructing, themselves. Is not confirmed if the opponents will be again gray versions of all characters or if there will be a different team like Fighting Alloy Team.

These are the multiple options you can choose of Multi-Man Brawl:
 * 10-Man Brawl
 * 100-Man Brawl
 * 3-Minute Brawl
 * 15-Minute Brawl
 * Endless Brawl
 * Cruel Brawl
 * Burly Brawl (is unknown if this mode will return)

Events
Events have been confirmed for inclusion. They are open for anyone to make, and expand beyond Brawl's events to minigames and such.

Brawl
Brawl is the standard fighting mode for the game. The thing you have to do is set up your game parameters. The first is select your character. To select the character you want, click and drag the circle with you player number on it to the little picture of the character you want. You can tint your character to different colors.

Once the characters for everyone are selected, you need to decide how difficult you want your computer players to be. Below each CPU, there is a little slider that lets you select the CPU's difficulty. The further right the slider, the more difficult the CPU. Nine is the highest level of difficulty.

In the top right corner of the character select screen there is a little blue button that says, "Options." If you click that button, the above screen pops up. In this menu you can decide how long the match will be, and/or how many lives you get. You can also determine the damage ratio, (how far you want people to get thrown when hit with an attack,) the item frequency, (how often items appear,) the start damage, (how much damage you start out with,) and whether or not to display the player number. When you're finished, click done to return to the character select screen.

In the bottom left corner of the character select screen there is a little blue button that says, "Customize Controls." If you click that button, the above-left screen pops up. Here you can decide what controls you want to use. If you are playing against someone else, you can decide what their controls will be too. To change their controls, click the word edit, and the above right screen pops up. Then press the key you want for that particular thing. You can set up controls for four people, and up and jump may be mapped to the same key. Once you are done, click back to return to the character select screen. Once everything is set up the way you want, click "GO!".

After you have everything set up the way you want it, The next step is to pick a stage. You simply have to click on the stage you want and then you're ready to fight!

The difference between this mode and the Melee's mode of Super Smash Flash, is that now secret characters could be unlock by playing a certain number of matches.

Special Brawl
Special Brawl is a multiplaye mode which was debuted from Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Unlike Melee's Special mode, where only one special condition could be played at any time, Special Brawl allows several options to be applied at the same time. One can even play without any options, and simply play a normal match where records are not recorded. If the player chose Metal or Clear status, the characters will be that way, even on the Results screen.

Star Snag Brawl
Star Snag Brawl is an unlockable VS game mode that is similar to New Super Mario Bros.' "Mario vs. Luigi" 2P game mode. It was thought up by itsameSMB. Your goal in a Star Snag Brawl is to get the highest collection score of all of the combatants before the time limit is up. To do this, you must collect items called big stars. You start out with 0-5 big stars (depending on the handicap; 3 is the default) and you can get more by grabbing them when they appear or stealing them from other players (hence Star Snag).

Stages
Since Super Smash Flash 2 is a working progress, no stages are 100% confirmed. They are now classified by series. The stages some that have been made for the game are:

* : Most likely unlockable.

** :Proposal only, still to be confirmed.

Super Smash Bros. universe Mario universe
 * Battlefield (SSBB)
 * Battlefield (SSB)*
 * Final Destination (SSBB)
 * Final Destination (SSBM)*
 * Metal Cave
 * Subspace
 * Galaxy Tours
 * World Select
 * Peach's Castle
 * Subcon
 * Mushroomy Kingdom
 * Mario Circuit
 * Luigi's Mansion*
 * Mario Bros.*

Donkey Kong universe
 * Kongo Jungle
 * Jungle Japes
 * 75m*
 * Rumble Falls**

The Legend of Zelda universe
 * Bridge of Eldin
 * Hyrule Castle
 * Hyrule Temple
 * Pirate Ship*

Kirby universe
 * Fountain of Dreams
 * Green Greens
 * Halberd**

Sonic universe
 * Green Hill Zone
 * Flying Battery Zone*

Game & Watch universe
 * Flat Zone*

Metroid universe
 * Frigate Orpheon
 * Norfair
 * Planet Zebes
 * Brinstar

Yoshi universe
 * Yoshi's Island (SSB)
 * Yoshi's Island (SSBM)
 * Yoshi's Island (SSBB)

Star Fox universe
 * Corneria
 * Lylat Cruise

Pokemon universe
 * Pokemon Stadium
 * Spear Pillar**
 * Saffron City
 * Battle of Origin*

Earthbound/Mother universe
 * Onett
 * New Pork City*
 * Fourside*

Fire Emblem universe
 * Castle Siege*

Wario universe
 * WarioWare, Inc.
 * Wario Land*

Metal Gear universe
 * Shadow Moses Island*

F-Zero universe
 * Big Blue*
 * Port Town Aero Dive**

Kid Icarus universe
 * Skyworld

Other universes There is also a chance that some stages will return from Super Smash Flash 1.It is still not 100% confirmed.
 * Hueco Mundo - Bleach (anime) universe
 * Namek Planet** - Dragon Baanime) universe
 * Village of Konoha** - ll (
 * Station of Calling -
 * Network Battle** -
 * Rocket Town** - '
 * [[Shinra's Headquarters]
 * Cleod Stadium** - McLeodGaming universe
 * (Tales of Symphonia stage still pending)
 * (Chrono Trigger stage still pending)
 * Tetris
 * [[TATOOINE

Stage Builder
Upon Cleod9's statement that there is no chance for Expansion Stages, he will compensate for this by making a Stage Builder, which could possibly be similar to Brawl's Stage Builder.

Items
Items will be featured in Super Smash Flash 2. Here are some items that have been made for use in the game.

Normal Items
Some items comes from the Super Smash Bros. series, the other comes from the McLeodGaming series; appear randomly in the stages or inside of crates, barrels, capsules or party balls. Some of these items has been confirmed:


 * Smash Ball
 * Assist Trophy
 * Poké Ball
 * BAN Hammer
 * Hammer
 * Golden Hammer
 * Clyde's Shoes
 * Bunny Hood
 * Boost Pad
 * Bob-omb
 * Fire Flower
 * Beam Sword
 * Motion-Sensor Bomb
 * Smart Bomb
 * Gooey Bomb
 * Superspicy Curry
 * Maximum Tomato
 * Heart Container
 * Green Shell
 * Red Shell
 * Blue Shell
 * Flipper
 * Home-Run Bat
 * Black Hole Generator
 * Dragoon
 * POW Block
 * Food
 * Franklin Badge
 * Party Ball
 * Star Rod
 * Freezie
 * Ray Gun
 * Cracker Launcher
 * Super Scope
 * Beam Sword
 * Super Mushroom
 * Poison Mushroom
 * Metal Box
 * Peppers
 * Premier Ball
 * Lip's Stick
 * Dice
 * Stage teleporter generator
 * Warp Star
 * Screw Attack
 * Ban Sword
 * Blades Of Olympus
 * Yu-gi-oh Cards
 * Fury Gems
 * Kamidogu

Poké Balls
The game will feature Poké Balls. Some that has been submitted, but not confirmed.
 * Charizard
 * Voltorb
 * Snorlax
 * Moltres
 * Zapdos
 * Articuno
 * Mew
 * Typhlosion
 * Electrode
 * Metagross
 * Hoppip
 * Chinchou
 * Aipom
 * Suicune
 * Entei
 * Raikou
 * Mudkip
 * Manaphy
 * Ditto
 * Regice
 * Kyogre
 * Groudon
 * Latios & Latias
 * Piplup
 * Hippowdon
 * Celebi
 * Empoleon
 * Darkrai
 * Arceus
 * Dialga
 * Rayquaza
 * Lugia
 * Palkia
 * Regigigas
 * Arceus

Assist Trophies
A feature new to Brawl, assist trophies will make an appearance in Super Smash Flash 2. Some that have been submitted, but not confirmed are as following:
 * Marluxia - Kingdom Hearts
 * Geno - Mario
 * Cucco - The Legend of Zelda
 * Wes - Earthbound/Mother
 * Byakuya - Bleach (anime)
 * Jimmy T. - WarioWare
 * Krilin - Dragon Ball (anime)
 * Young Sakura - Naruto (anime)
 * Ifrit - Final Fantasy
 * Ryu - Street Fighter
 * Ken - Street Fighter
 * O RLY?
 * Kat & Ana - WarioWare
 * Kon - Bleach (anime)
 * Pac-Man - Pac-Man
 * Team Chaotix - Sonic
 * Mama Luigi & Toad - Mario
 * Boshi - Mario
 * Daisy - Mario
 * Bullet Blaster - Mario
 * Clyde The Hedgehog - Custom Character
 * Waddle Dee - Kirby
 * Knuckle Joe - Kirby
 * Mike Tyson - Punch-Out!!
 * Luma - Mario
 * Wanda - Mario
 * Michael Jackson
 * Metal Sonic - Sonic
 * Ridley - Metroid
 * Ultimate Chimera - Earthbound/Mother
 * Doopliss - Mario
 * Tingle - The Legend of Zelda
 * Rouge The Bat - Sonic
 * Mr. Resetti - Animal Crossing
 * Cranky Kong - Donkey Kong
 * Claus/Masked Boy - Earthbound/Mother
 * Viruses - Mario
 * Stafy - kirby
 * Marx - Kirby
 * Shino - Naruto (Anime)
 * Frieza - Dragon Ball (Anime)
 * Cleod9 - Custom Character
 * Pharoah Man - Megaman
 * Owen(TDI) - Total Drama Island
 * Omega Weapon - Final Fantasy

There are many more, but most of them are hidden in the Developers section at the McLeodGaming forums.

Trophies
It has been confirmed that there will be random appearance trophies, like the ones you would pay coins for in Melee or Brawl, and 4 trophies for each character. It is not certain what trophies there will be, only that each character will have 4, and most to all items will have trophies.

There is a trophy compilation with content not publicly described here:


 * Trophy's List

Super Smash Flash Dojo
There is also a dojo for the game much like the one for Super Smash Bros. Brawl, and is updated as often as possible giving info on the characters, items, stages, music, etc. The creator of the Dojo is stoat.tamer, an SSF2 developer.

Online Compatibility
Cleod9 has confirmed that he is attempting Wii Web browser compatibility. Thus far, no demos have accomplished this feat yet, however.

Wii Compatibility
Cleod9 has confirmed that he is attempting Wii Web browser (Internet Channel) compatibility. Thus far, no demos have accomplished this feat yet, however.